Tuesday, August 11, 2009

Girardi Gets What Torre Never Could

From today's Journal News:
Girardi said he never had any intentions of using the ultra-effective Phil Hughes in the eighth inning of Sunday night's 5-2 win over Boston. He called on lefty Phil Coke instead, and watched him give up a 1-0 lead on Victor Martinez's two-run homer.

But Girardi sounded like he'd do it again to avoid overusing Hughes, or any other reliever. Hughes had pitched the three previous days.

"The bullpen is something you have to watch," Girardi said. "You don't want to fall in love with one guy because you can wear him down. You can hurt him. You don't just want him effective for two weeks, but for the whole season."

He said he's willing to bite the proverbial bullet to stay away from a pitcher.

"I knew yesterday I'm not going to use Hughes," Girardi said. "Sometimes, you've just got to say, 'Hey, know what? We don't have this guy today.' "
I'll admit, when watching the game I questioned not using Hughes myself, but I wasn't aware he'd been in three consecutive days. It worked out anyway, but I'd have preferred Bruney or Aceves to face the righties there after Coke got Ellsbury.

In any case, Girardi is makingthe right moves here. He's not falling into the Torre trap of falling in love with a reliever who then has his arm fall off.

Look at the post-Torre careers of former Torre flames Tanyon Sturtze, Steve Karsay, Ramiro Mendoza, Paul Quantrill, Ron Villone and Scott Proctor if you want to see what could have been in store for Hughes.

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posted by Mr. Faded Glory @ 10:01 AM   14 comments


At 8/11/2009 11:38 AM, Anonymous Bronx Baseball Daily said...

While you are right that it's good not to over use Hughes, that list you ran off of players Torre supposedly killed was a list of mediocre relievers at best.

I mean Paul Quantrill was 35 when he became a Yankee. Ron Villone was 36. Scott Proctor sucked before Torre used him like crazy.

At 8/11/2009 2:09 PM, Blogger Mr. Faded Glory said...

What about Karsay, who was young and effective? Or Mendoza?

The bottom line is it's not like the guys became ineffective later, they all had major shoulder issues as a direct result of over use.

I was only really talking about his Yankee tenure though - Torre did thesame thing with Atlanta.

At 8/11/2009 2:57 PM, Blogger Rex Banner said...

Beat me to it Bronx.

How do you know it's a direct result of over use Mike? There are many reasons that guys hurt their shoulders. What defines over use anyway? Were Stanton, Nelson & Rivera over used?

I don't think you can back up your "direct result" comment.

At 8/11/2009 3:00 PM, Blogger Mr. Faded Glory said...

When you see enough examples of guys who get huge workload increases and then have shoulder and elbow problems, it becomes fairly apparent the cause and effect.

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. - Albert Einstein

At 8/11/2009 3:24 PM, Blogger Rex Banner said...

Again, where is the proof? All you're doing is posting your opinion as fact. Please prove that those guys were hurt as a "direct result of over use." I'd like to see it.

At 8/11/2009 3:59 PM, Blogger Mr. Faded Glory said...

Your trolling isn't even making sense anymore. It's common sense of cause and effect.

At 8/11/2009 4:13 PM, Blogger Rex Banner said...

Oh, because you say so, it must be true. You're just trying to promote your "I'm smarter than Torre" agenda. You put yourself out there with a statement of fact, yet you can't back it with anything more than speculative evidence. So, every arm injury is because of over use and all of those managers are "dumb"? Wang never got hurt under Torre, but did under Girardi. By your logic, Joe G must be "dumb" too.

At 8/11/2009 4:21 PM, Blogger Mr. Faded Glory said...

I believe I said Girardi is smarter than Torre, not me.

At 8/11/2009 4:27 PM, Blogger Rex Banner said...

If "Torre is dumb" (as you've said so many times here) then you must be dumb too if you're not smarter than him. Is that true? Unless you think you're dumb, you must think that you're smarter than Torre.

At 8/11/2009 4:32 PM, Blogger Mr. Faded Glory said...

Stop with these lame strawman arguments, ok? I never compared myself to Torre, I compared Girardi to Torre. Don't you have anything better to do?

At 8/11/2009 4:55 PM, Blogger Rex Banner said...

Nope, nothing better to do than bitch about something someone writes regarding baseball. Hmmm, sound familiar?

What is a strawman argument? My logic is right on. You called Torre dumb. Unless you're dumb, you think you're smarter.

Back to the original topic: you still never proved that their arm injuries were a "direct result of over use." All I saw was circumstancial evidence; where are the hard facts?

At 8/11/2009 5:27 PM, Blogger Mr. Faded Glory said...

A strawman argument is when you mischaracterize your opponents position and then attack that mischaracterization.

Bringing whether or not I think I'm smarter than Torre into it is irrelevant and besides the point.

I'll never prove anything to you because you refuse to look at the evidence presented and unless a doctor shows you a file that says "Torre Injuries" you won't buy any of it, so just forget it. Continue to dream of your boy Torre coming back to the Yankees someday.

I don't know why I even respond to you, you're not interested in real conversation, you're simply a troll.

At 8/11/2009 10:59 PM, Blogger Rex Banner said...

Oh well, at least the Yanks won.

At 8/12/2009 9:20 PM, Blogger TaggedTruck said...

I love Rex and the banter... So worth tuning in for. Too bad you didn't make OTL this year!


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